Is the CMS dead?

(Georgina Brown) #1

Where has the squiz CMS gone? I see lots of references in the manuals, but nothing on the squiz site :(

(Tbaatar) #2

The Squiz CMS page use to be here: http://cms.squizsuite.net/ but it is not working, perhaps this is being integrated into the new website.

 

 You can still find the information to install and download the CMS from here: http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/ (near the footer).

 

Here is the news of the change: http://www.squizlabs.com/

(Greg Sherwood) #3

The Squiz Matrix site content was migrated into the new Squiz website and the existing manuals site, so there are fewer places to go to get information about it. It is very much *not* dead.

(Nic Hubbard) #4

The Squiz Matrix site content was migrated into the new Squiz website and the existing manuals site, so there are fewer places to go to get information about it. It is very much *not* dead.

 

I think he was talking about Squiz CMS not Matrix. I also can't find info about it anymore other than this old archived site:

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20130117153106/http://cms.squizsuite.net

 

And I guess the VM is still available if you are tricky to find the link:

 

http://c28616.r16.cf1.rackcdn.com/Squiz_CMS_VM.zip

 

Greg, is Squiz CMS, not Matrix, still going to be around? Looks like it isn't even mentioned on the new Suite site: http://www.squiz.net/uk/suite

(Greg Sherwood) #5

Ah ok. Squiz CMS is a different product to Squiz Matrix. We use it for some of our clients when they have smaller requirements.

 

We still use it internally and have clients running on it, but we are not actively promoting it or maintaining the download any more for public users. If you are a Squiz client, you can still get access to it for building your sites. And access to the automated updates for it as well. But contact Squiz via the new site for all that.

(Georgina Brown) #6

Why have squiz made this decision? :(

 

This was a brilliant product.

 

Am I right that you can download the matrix version but then the editing faciltiies (what I believe to be EE+) are commercial? If so, a real shame as I will now have to discount this product from our list of potentials because we do not have a budget for this and wanted an open source product.

(Georgina Brown) #7

Ok, I have downloaded the normal East Edit suite. This appears to be free. I don't think the manuals really help someone set up some of the basics.

 

It would be really useful to have a set by step guide about installing matrix (with the correct screen dumps!), to setting up easy edit, to setting up their first site and editing content.

 

If you are not used to the system, it is hard to pick your way through :(

 

All I can say is...oh my, easy edit  is not easy to set up! This thing is difficult to setup! :(

 

Is there no way of simplifying this?

 

Also, how am I meant to get the easy edit config file contents over to load in the matrix if it is in my VM? :(

(Tbaatar) #8

To setup Easy Edit Suite, you will need core matrix.

 

 

For installing Squiz Matrix, follow the brilliant guide written by Nic Hubbard:

http://www.zedsaid.com/blog/install-squiz-matrix-in-10-minutes-on-debian-6.0

and for setting up Easy Edit Suite, just follow the Squiz Manual.

http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/ees/chapters/installation
(Josh Sherwood) #9

Ok, I have downloaded the normal East Edit suite. This appears to be free. I don't think the manuals really help someone set up some of the basics.

 

It would be really useful to have a set by step guide about installing matrix (with the correct screen dumps!), to setting up easy edit, to setting up their first site and editing content.

 

If you are not used to the system, it is hard to pick your way through :(

 

All I can say is...oh my, easy edit  is not easy to set up! This thing is difficult to setup! :(

 

Is there no way of simplifying this?

 

Also, how am I meant to get the easy edit config file contents over to load in the matrix if it is in my VM? :(

 

Hi,

 

The screenshots in the VM installation guide are meant as examples; the content of the guide is still relevant to the current VM download. That being said, I have amended the guide as you have requested.

 

Installing EES on the VM can be a little tricky at first, but it can be done. If you are unable to download the EES tarball directly on the VM, try downloading it to your computer and transferring it with scp:

$ scp Path/to/ees/file root@<IP-ADDRESS> /var/www/matrix/data/public/

$ scp Downloads/ees-plus-1858.tar.gz root@172.16.238.146 /var/www/matrix/data/public/

Once the tar file is on the VM, unzip it and follow the EES installation guide here:

http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/ees/chapters/installation

It can seem a little daunting at first, but if you follow the guide you should be able to get it up and running. It's mostly just editing some fields and copy/pasting code.

(Nic Hubbard) #10

It can seem a little daunting at first, but if you follow the guide you should be able to get it up and running. It's mostly just editing some fields and copy/pasting code.

 

This got me thinking. Why can't the EES just be bundled with Matrix then clients don't have to worry about installing it as an add-on?

(Scott Hall) #11

 

This got me thinking. Why can't the EES just be bundled with Matrix then clients don't have to worry about installing it as an add-on?

 

Hey Nic

 

This very concept has been in our roadmap for the product for quite a while, I believe you have access to see it. The idea is: Squiz Matrix Merger #2527 (https://squizmap.squiz.net/ees/2527)

 

Doing this the right way equates to a considerable amount of effort though, so won't be happening in the short term.

 

Cheers

 

Scotty

(Georgina Brown) #12

 

Hi,

 

The screenshots in the VM installation guide are meant as examples; the content of the guide is still relevant to the current VM download. That being said, I have amended the guide as you have requested.

 

Installing EES on the VM can be a little tricky at first, but it can be done. If you are unable to download the EES tarball directly on the VM, try downloading it to your computer and transferring it with scp:

$ scp Path/to/ees/file root@<IP-ADDRESS> /var/www/matrix/data/public/

$ scp Downloads/ees-plus-1858.tar.gz root@172.16.238.146 /var/www/matrix/data/public/

Once the tar file is on the VM, unzip it and follow the EES installation guide here:

http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/ees/chapters/installation

It can seem a little daunting at first, but if you follow the guide you should be able to get it up and running. It's mostly just editing some fields and copy/pasting code.

Thanks for your help. I have downloaded it and started the setup, following the instructions.

 

It is a pretty laborious process.

 

The bit that is most frustrating is that somehow I have to get the example file content from the Linux VM to my Windows host to input. I have no idea how, as I am not a Linux expert :(

 

It would be useful to have this online in the documentation area so that I can just download it or copy and paste it. Any chance? Otherwise I think I might end up having to type it all in again :(

 

Thanks for all your help so far :)

(Georgina Brown) #13

 

This got me thinking. Why can't the EES just be bundled with Matrix then clients don't have to worry about installing it as an add-on?

Oh I would sooooooooooo vote for this. Given there was a product which met my requirements and was easy as pie to install and configure and now this has been removed, I would see this as a very favourable option! :)

(Georgina Brown) #14

 

Hey Nic

 

This very concept has been in our roadmap for the product for quite a while, I believe you have access to see it. The idea is: Squiz Matrix Merger #2527 (https://squizmap.squiz.net/ees/2527)

 

Doing this the right way equates to a considerable amount of effort though, so won't be happening in the short term.

 

Cheers

 

Scotty

It would be great to input into this, but how do I get an account? I cannot even view the roadmap to see what is coming up :(

(Nic Hubbard) #15

It would be great to input into this, but how do I get an account? I cannot even view the roadmap to see what is coming up :(

 

Pretty sure it is just for Squiz clients.

(Nic Hubbard) #16

Thanks for your help. I have downloaded it and started the setup, following the instructions.

 

It is a pretty laborious process.

 

The bit that is most frustrating is that somehow I have to get the example file content from the Linux VM to my Windows host to input. I have no idea how, as I am not a Linux expert :(

 

It would be useful to have this online in the documentation area so that I can just download it or copy and paste it. Any chance? Otherwise I think I might end up having to type it all in again :(

 

Thanks for all your help so far :)

 

What are you meaning? Having issues editing the config file?

(Georgina Brown) #17

 

Pretty sure it is just for Squiz clients.

Shame, as the developer community is also key to moving things forwards. Even if they just prioritised clients views over ours.

(Georgina Brown) #18

 

What are you meaning? Having issues editing the config file?

At one point the instructions say about copying the example config file over. This would mean moving the text from the Linux VM to my Windows host.

(Nic Hubbard) #19

At one point the instructions say about copying the example config file over. This would mean moving the text from the Linux VM to my Windows host.

 

You are talking about loading up the Matrix VM? The changing the /etc/hosts file step?

(Benjamin Pearson) #20

At one point the instructions say about copying the example config file over. This would mean moving the text from the Linux VM to my Windows host.

 

The easiest way to do this is to use WinSCP (http://winscp.net/eng/index.php), it is basically using SSH to send the file but you have a graphical directory browser to drag and drop the file from one to the other. You could also use scp from the windows host (part of Putty called pscp): scp root@vm.host.name:/path/to/file /path/to/save